Nootropics Update: Smart Drugs and Language Learning

Smart Drugs and Language Learning

Nootropics Update: Smart Drugs and Language Learning…

It’s been almost two months since I wrote Nootropics: Smart Drugs and Language Learning. As I’m fielding a number of emails on the subject I figured an update is in order.

Note: It can take a good six months to a year to get a handle on using Nootropics, so in no way am I professing to be an expert or even halfway there. This post is simply to share what I’ve learned, and where I’m at.

Additional note: I’m not interested in the speed-type Smart Drugs such as Adderall, Ritalin, or Modafinil. Caffeine is the strongest I’ll take (and even with caffeine I have to be careful). My Nootropics adventure will mainly focus on the safe Racetams: Piracetam, Pramiracetam, Aniracetam, Sulbutiamine, Oxiracetam, and others.

A newbies guide to Nootropics…

There are many combinations of Nootropics (known as ‘stacks’), mentioned on the internet. One forum post will tout a certain mix, and yet another will pooh pooh the very same.

I’m not a chemistry major so I’m winging it like many others. And because of this, I won’t be surprised to be discover snafus in my regime (posted below), or even how I’m understanding it all.

From what I’ve read, a basic stack can consists of Piracetam, Acetyl-L-Carnitine, and CDP-Choline (this is also debatable). The Choline is needed because (apparently) Piracetam depletes it from our systems, resulting in bad headaches. A switch, CDP-Choline gives me headaches so it’s possible that the eggs I consume already offer what I need.

A basic rundown on taking Nootropics:

  • Start out with a simple stack, adding one Nootropic at a time.
  • Different Nootropics do different things so decide your aim (language study, maths, music, memorization, motivation, whatever) and then trial suggested combinations, tweaking as you go.
  • Nootropics do work but you need to give your brain a workout at the same time. Study a language, memorise a script, learn new chess moves, whatever.
  • A mere 15 minutes of physical exercise before study can accentuate the effects of Nootropics.
  • Drink copious amounts of water (severe dry mouth and headaches are no fun).
  • Nootropics such as Piracetam are subtle so carefully observe and track your progress.
  • As previously mentioned, a Choline source alleviates the headaches caused from taking Piracetam (but this is not true with everyone).
  • Some say to take water soluble pills between meals and fat soluble during meals. Others say to take everything together with proteins, avoiding carbs. Up to you.
  • Some say to take caffeine, others say avoid it. Up to you.
  • Sleep is important (no surprise). If you are on a bad run of insomnia, taking expensive Nootropics is a waste, so mix your stack wisely.
  • Keeping healthy is advised, as is taking a multi-vitamin with decent range of B vitamins.

A given, I might have missed a few important pointers. If you know of others, go ahead and add them in the comments below. And if there’s a snafu somewhere, ditto.

Where to get advice…

For questions, there are several decent forums discussing Nootropics. This section on longecity.org covers quite a bit but there will still be a bit of confusion at first (I discover new information weekly): Nootropics thread index

Lukes’s site, Smart Nootropics, is also handy.

And if you want to help out with a survey, please do: Nootropics survey

My Nootropics trial: 1st Stack, 2nd Stack, and now the 3rd Stack…

Before Xmas I played around with Piracetam, Pyritinol, Vinpocetine, and Hydergine. Wanting to frolic, I took a break.

After the holidays I tweaked my stack to Piracetam, Pramiracetam, Pyritinol, Idebenone, Lion’s mane, Vinpocetine, Super Omega 3-6-9 1200, Huperzine A, Ginkgo Biloba, Bacopa, and vitamins. Due to that darn bird I also took Melatonin (too much apparently) so after two weeks plus of not sleeping I switched to L-Tryptophan.

A month later I asked for a stack critique from Luke at Smart Nootropics. Luke advised me to drop Idebenone and Vinpocetine, replace L-Tryptophan with Melatonin, and upgrade my multi-vitamin. I took most of Luke’s great advice but not all (forgive?)

Below is my third Nootropics stack (vitamins included).

With breakfast:

Caffeine (PepsiMax, CokeZero, tea or coffee)
Caffeine 50mg (ProLab 200mg cut into 4’s)
Piracetam 2 “00”
Pramiracetam 1 “1”
Hydergine 1 mg
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 499 mg
Methyl B-12 1000 mg
Super Omega 3-6-9 1200 mg
Lion’s Mane 300 mg
Multi-vitamin (Eve)

With lunch:

Piracetam 2 “00”
Pramiracetam 1 “1”
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 499 mg
Methyl B-12 1000 mg
Super Omega 3-6-9 1200 mg
Lion’s Mane 300 mg
Multi-vitamin (Eve)

With dinner:

Super Omega 3-6-9 1200
Multi-vitamin (Eve)
Probiotics

To help with sleep:

9pm: Bacopa Extract 225 mg x 3
10.30-11pm: L-Tryptophan 500 mg

Piracetam is relatively cheap but Pramiracetam and others can be expensive. To keep costs down, if I’m not studying that day I skip both Pramiracetam and Hydergine but take the rest of the stack. Depending, I also bounce around with caffeine pills.

To find the perfect study stack I plan on adding even more Nootropics to the above mix. In future posts I’ll discuss: Aniracetam, Sulbutiamine, Oxiracetam, Pyritinol, N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine, Picamilon, Rhodiola, etc…

The Nootropic effects I’ve experienced so far…

Study: With my second stack I didn’t notice that much of a difference in my memory or motivation. It was only after I switched to my third stack, and later added Hydergine, that I felt a mega surge to study my language lessons.

And I mean a SURGE.

If I take Hydergine and a friend drops by I get antsy and want to race away, back to my lessons. And it doesn’t matter if I take Piracetam, Pramiracetam, or both together, Hydergine is the key.

Smarts: I might not be smarter but I think I am. Heh.

Get-up-and-go: My experience with Nootropics has opened me up to a bigger world; I’m no longer as introverted as before. Being body to body with hordes doesn’t bother me as much so I’ve gone for the Skytrain in a big way. Yes. Me. The “I only travel by taxi” lass.

Tedium: On a more mundane note, doing small chores is not longer as tedious. I usually resent doing dishes but now I find myself standing over the sink saying, “I’m not going to do dishes” … followed by … “Ok. Here I am. But I’m not going to wash them all”. Soon enough, POOF, the dishes get done.

Ah: And here’s another unexpected side effect (but in no way mundane). If you like sex then you are going to love love love Nootropics.

Nootropics: Smart drugs, memory enhancers, cognitive enhancers, and intelligence enhancers. Mighty fine.

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26 Responses to “ Nootropics Update: Smart Drugs and Language Learning ”

  1. Catherine – Your post reads like you’ve turned into a pill popping sex maniac who is on first name terms with every pharmacist in your district and can remember every piece of graffiti on every wall. Maybe you’ve sprayed a few yourself during sleepless nights.

    Nootropics do seem a complicated thing. That is getting the balance just right. A major in Chemistry would seem a must. However, they are obviously working for you. Keep popping, both pills and your partner’s eyes.

    Would M150 or Red Bull drinks also be an aid?
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  2. Martyn, it does seem that way but after being a health nut over the years (on and off) I’m used to taking handfuls of vitamins.

    As for the sex… well well…

    Nootropics do seem complicated but that could be because: 1) with all the different Nootropics and such there are a zillion stack combos, and 2) many writing about Nootropics are chemistry, law, and medical majors in uni.

    These guys and gals are as sharp as all get out and even they are seeing improvements with memory and motivation while taking some of the toughest tests in the land.

    But the more I read, seems like the average Joe/Joette could get away with just Piracetam, Hydergine, and Acetyl-L-Carnitine, and either a load of eggs or Choline.

    Sure, you could try M150 and Red Bull but they aren’t Nootropics. They are just sugar and caffeine with a few other bits thrown in. I don’t consume sugar due to the eventual crash and weight gain so I try and avoid energy drinks of those type. Note: I have had fun with energy drinks in the past – mostly when running around with Bangkok taxi drivers.
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  3. More information about Nootropics, by James South (biochemist)

    Nootropics – Reviewing The Smart-Drugs
    James South – My Personal Supplement Regime
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  4. Nootropics sounds unfamiliar to me and I am happy to know about it. By the way this kind of drug is it safe or not? love to try it.
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  5. Danyelle, the older Nootropics are known to be safe. I’m assuming all are but until more research is done… but, I’m only going for the tried and true. Piracetam came out in the 1960′s and has the most research backing it. Oxiracetam, Pramiracetam and Aniracetam arrived in the 1970′s. So, they aren’t actually a mystery to the medical profession. The top link I shared above your comment gives an educated look into their history (and safety).
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  6. Quote: Nootropics – Lack of toxicity

    The action of the PIR-nootropics has been studied in a broad range of animals; goldfish, mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats, dogs, marmosets, monkeys and humans. The toxicity of PIR and its “cousins” is amazingly low- almost non-existent.

  7. Cat, I really wonder what good all these pills really do other than relieve you of money. Sure the pills may have some effect with energy and sleep but can they really help in the learning process and it seems there is always another pill to add.

    I remember years ago there was an interview with the American actor Nick Nolte and when asked about his health regime he took the interviewer into a special room he had that looked like a science lab. He proceeded to show the interviewer all kinds of pills and liquids and went through his daily regime which was extensive.

    He not only took pills and drinks but self injected as well…he was taking about 80 pills a day and self injecting 4 times a day as well as drinking various drinks throughout the day.

    At the end of tghe interview I came away thinking the guy was bat shit crazy and looked as if he was on drugs ( may have been )

    I don’t think pills are the answer….maybe something for your sleep problems as I think a decent nights rest is the best thing for learning.

  8. I forgot to mention….the sex aspect of nootropics has me very interested :P

  9. Here is part of the Nolte interview…it has much more to do with aging and health but I’m sure a lot of the same pills are involved….My recollection of the interview was a bit off he doesn’t seem too bad but I still think he’s nuts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiAxvRidTEA

  10. Talen, Watching that video, Nick Nolte started to pay serious attention to his health because he was having problems. I looked at his list of pills and didn’t see any Nootropics (although some nutrients are loosely put under the label).

    James South (the biochemist I linked to in the comments) was seriously ill as a child and had nowhere to go but up. The consensus is that he increased his quality of life by taking Nootropics (amongst others).

    Have my studies improved? I’d say by at least 200%.

    But even with the Nootropics I’m crap at maths so it could very well be 195%.

    “I forgot to mention….the sex aspect of nootropics has me very interested”

    So you’ll pay good money for better sex but not for a better brain? lol…

    Note: I didn’t even know visitors could put a YouTube video in comments. I have links blocked (even I can’t add them) so I’ll have to look at the code. Nice!
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  11. “Known to be safe”? How many times has that been said and later turned out to be grossly untrue? I had a quick look around and it seems that the long-term health effects of these drugs are not particularly clear, though that’s not so very different from a huge number of other pharmaceuticals. The whole pharmaceutical industry, especially with regard to psycho-active drugs, is to a large degree a mixture of snake oil, fraud and wishful thinking.

    That said, it’s obviously true that lots of people do report improved abilities with these drugs but then if you gave them pressed chalk dust in fancy packaging, they’d also report improved abilities. How far do they actually work is, I think, open to question. And I can’t help wondering how much it mirrors the situation of the guy who never does weights wanting to take steroids as a short cut. It’s true that the majority of steroids are fairly low-risk and they do work (though I doubt many who take cognitive enhancers would also approve of injecting testosterone to put 20 kilos on one’s bench press) but in almost all cases, the gym neophyte will be better off just sorting out a decent programme and a decent diet. I would imagine that for almost all (potential) users, it would be wiser to plan one’s learning more carefully and to learn how to learn, before reaching for a pharmaceutical solution, though sadly our culture is increasingly turning to (often little understood) pharmaceuticals as a first, rather than a last, response.

  12. Dan, if you look at it that way, sure, life isn’t safe. Sugar can kill you as can caffeine. And what about jogging? Health nuts drop dead all the time.

    The Nootropics on my list have been around for 50 years give or take. If they were a worry (like Adderall, Ritalin, or Modafinil, which I do avoid), then it’d already be known. Can more studies be done? Absolutely. But as there isn’t a ton of money in Nootropics we’ll be waiting a long time. It’s the way of this world and I can’t wait another 50 years.

    Btw: If you want a more detailed answer then why not post questions on the forum I mentioned above? Or even better, contact the many scientists who’ve spent their working lives in search of the perfect Nootropic.

    Nootropics are not just for the healthy (we just want sharper lives). Google Nootropics + Alzheimer’s + brain injuries.
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  13. Catherine have you tried using L-Theanine in your Nootropic “stack”, or using Aniracetam instead of Pramiracetam? I ask because I’ve been told, and read numerous times that Aniracetam and Piracetam work together fairly well. Piracetam is supposed to help you recall things that you already know, where as Aniracetam is supposed to help you absorb new things (if I’m not mistaken). So using the two together when studying should be essentially beneficial.

    L-Theanine, which can be found in Green Tea, is reported to have calming effects however it also seems to heighten or increase the GABA receptors. It also has effects on the AMPA and NMDA which Piracetam also effects. I added the L-Theanine to my Nootropic regimen nearing a month ago and have noticed a nice increase in my recall.

    I haven’t tried Lion’s Mane nor use ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine).The only reason I haven’t tried Lion’s Mane is due to how expensive it is, and how you need to take it for a few months before noticing the effects (at least that’s what I was initially told, and read). As to why I haven’t taken ALCAR, I have a low appetite naturally it seems, and when I would take ALCAR it would almost deminish completely or I would have nausea after eating.

    Smart Drugs for Thought has a downloadable PDF on their “Piracetam-Research” page near the top. It actually has a lot of information regarding Piracetam and the other Racetams. As Catherine said, Dan, most of the Racetam’s have little to no side effects. In fact with Piracetam, the only side effect would be headaches, and these more often than not are caused by low ACh (Acetyl-Choline) levels.

    Another thing about Piracetam is it stimulates your ATP (similar to Creatine) so working out while on Piracetam could provide more benefits than just enhancing the Nootropic benefits. Piracetam stimulates your Corpus Callosum (the area of your brain that sends communications between the two hemispheres) which in my opinion is likely why people see improvements with memory recall as well as improved verbal skills (speaking is as much logical as it is intuitive).

  14. Hi Jessica, I added Aniracetam a few days ago. I need to recall new vocabulary and phrases so it seemed logical to add.

    I found a stack that has Piracetam, Aniracetam, and Pramiracetam together. Is it overkill?

    I haven’t tried L-Theanine but I do drink green tea on and off (sometimes I’m in the mood for Earl Grey instead). As green tea does work for me I’ll order L-Theanine as well.

    The pdf at Smart Drugs for Thought looks interesting. Ta! There are articles about Nootropics in Google Scholar but a great deal is dry and some are locked behind Elsevier. The pdf you shared looks more like what I need.

    I also read that about Lion’s Mane (takes months). I’ve been advised to upgrade to a better product so when I look around the expense might be a bit much.

    Agreed, ALCAR does cause a loss of appetite. I have a naturally low appetite too and lately I’m having to force myself to eat. I often wander off, leaving meals half eaten. No nausea though. I’m trying to get around it by upping my protein.

    Coming across Nootropics has been an exciting adventure for me. Right away I started being more outgoing, which is a huge change (as I mentioned, I have a hermit nature). And using Bacopa (another Nootropic) as a sleep aid has been brilliant in combating insomnia and that drat bird screaming outside my windows 24-7. Any additional benefits will be pure gravy.

    Thank you so much for adding your suggestions to this post! These are early days for me and I have sooooo much more to learn.
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  15. Correction… I do have L-Theanine but it’s in a product called Theanine Serene™ with Relora®.

    Last year I took Relora on its own to help me sleep (they are marketing it for weight loss but it works as a sleep aid for some). Later I purchased Theanine Serene™ with Relora®.

    I stopped taking it in the new year when I got into Nootropics and came across the advice on Melatonin, which didn’t work for long. That’s when I switched to Bacopa and L-Tryptophan.

    Over the years I’ve tried a wide range of sleep aids. Getting enough sleep is a constant battle because what works for months will all of a sudden stop working.
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  16. Pramiracetam with the rest of the stack isn’t necessarily overkill. If anything slowly taper onto Aniracetam and see how it effects you. You can eventually (once Aniracetam has been taken for around a month) begin “toying” with your Pramiracetam dosage and lower it if need be to see how well Aniracetam and Piracetam work together.

    Piracetam is great for recalling vocabulary words, and key phrases. I’ve noticed old vocab words, and the new ones that I find from my courses are sticking and much more fluidly recalled.

    Most of my intake of L-Theanine happens to come from Green Tea, and occasionally a drink that contains L-Theanine (if you check in your local gas station you’ll be surprised to find there is a few drinks that do happen to contain L-Theanine).

    I have difficulties getting to sleep most nights, when I had first started taking Piracetam I was taking it in the afternoon and it in itself gave me a bit of trouble falling to sleep. I eventually read about others taking their Piracetam earlier in the day, and then taking some of their Choline later in the evening. I can say that I can take Piracetam late in the evening now and fall asleep with no trouble, however it wasn’t like this until my body had adjusted to Piracetam.

    I’m glad you found the PDF useful, I remember when I first started into the Nootropic world I had a hard time finding articles, texts, and information regarding Piracetam aside from Wiki. Their (Smart Drugs for Thought) research page actually has a lot of researches listed, and on their “What is Piracetam” page they go into more specific details as to how Piracetam works dosing and its benefits.

    Upping your Protein should help significantly with your appetite, and most sources of Protein contain Glutamate (I believe it’s an Amino Acid that deals with the flavor of proteins) so it will also help your Piracetam in its functionality. However if it (ALCAR) is giving you as much problems as it was giving myself it might be best to cut it out. A healthy diet and a proactive mind go hand in hand together. As well as proper exercise.

    I personally haven’t noticed if L-Theanine helps me go to sleep, I can say my sleeping is a lot more resting, but that could be due to a variety of things working in conjuncture with one another (exercising, dieting, Nootropics, and supplements). But many do report that L-Theanine has mildly helped them with sleeping.

    You sleep aids slowly losing their effectiveness could easily be due to your body becoming more adjusted to them being your system and “fighting off” drowsiness. Maybe running a cycle of a few safe and effective ways of finding sleep every few months could help prevent this?

    Sorry to hear about that bird, my neighbors are akin to your bird either they are playing music loudly all through the day or just shouting loudly amongst one another.

  17. Thanks Jessica. I’ll go through the rest of Smart Drugs for Thought this weekend. I’ve had a time wading through all the information + misinformation on forums. What’s needed is one site pointing to the really decent resources.

    Ooops. I didn’t taper into Aniracetam. I went with half my Piracetam dose. I’ll back off.

    Have you read about brain fog with Aniracetam? Some posts mention a 3 day stint until it clears. Fingers crossed as today is day 3… I’ve been struggling to get my latest post out and at first I thought it was due to the Common Koel screeching all night and the jackhammers pounding all day. That, plus a cold/flu that’s threating (a lot of people in Bangkok are sick).

    I buy PepsiMax and CokeZero (when I can get them) but stay away from most drinks in Thai stores and petrol stations because they are loaded down with sugar. I’m not a fan of sugar. Power drinks are very popular in Thailand, especially with truck and taxi drivers, so plenty are around. In the west you can get sugar free power drinks but not here.

    Except for Bacopa Extract, I haven’t taken any Nootropics after 2 or 3 in the afternoon and only on occasion. I mostly take my last dose around lunchtime because I zealously guard my sleep. I’ll give it a few more months and then try it…

    Theanine Serene™ with Relora® doesn’t knock me out. It acts similar to Bacopa in that it quiets my mind, allowing me to slide into sleep (my preference). I also depend upon a decent set of earphones plugged into my iPhone, and at times, an eye mask.

    Cycling sleep remedies is a great idea. I have several to use so when I notice a slow down I’ll switch before it gets bad. Because when it’s bad, I’m totally useless.

    Neighbors can be a bane! I’m lucky with mine (knock on wood). But that darn jackhammer and bird are driving me bananas…
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  18. Cat, The full interview with Nolte Nootropics were discussed but most of what he takes is primarily for health.

    As far as tasking pills though I almost think that if we eat properly then we should be getting the maximum of nutrients we need to do well in life … And yes sex is always more interesting than a growing brain…unless of course it’s tied to sex :P

    I just did a Carnegie Mellon intelligence test and did very well and there was nothing on the whole test about sex but a few of the math problems did excite me a lil.

  19. Talen, being healthy is a big part of the Nootropics regime for many. And I might be speaking too soon… but… not last year but November of the year before I started getting colds every month. You might recall me doing all that whingeing…

    It went on for a year and was tedious. All the man had to do was cough and I got sick. Well, along with half of Bangkok he’s been down with a cold/flu this past week. But, other than feeling hot yesterday (in sympathy perhaps) I’m ok.

    This is either due to pure good luck, or the regiment I started along with the Nootropics. But what I’m doing is simple really and nothing like what Nolte is up to. I just upped my vitamins and concentrated on being healthy.

    There was nothing about sex on the Carnegie test? For shame :-D
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  20. Hi there,

    I have attention deficit disorder and have been currently taking Ritalin which has helped to brighten me up as my type of attention deficit leaves me unfocussed, scatter brained and my memory is really bad. My mood can drop in a flash as well from feeling one minute okay and then the next suicidal for no apparent reason and even when i feel that way i am aware that there is no logical or rational reason morally for me to feel that.

    So right now i’m looking into nootropics to see if they can help my mad brain to balance and function better! I’m taking Ritalin (15mg once or twice daily as required), zinc, magnesium, iron, multivitamin, D3 vitamin, B vitamin complex, L-Tyrosine and Omega-3 fish oil.
    I bought 1200mg Piracetam capsules to try and was looking for advice on what to take and how to take them to help me function better. Should i purchase Hydergine and Choline? My diet is really good for protein just now as i’m on a new exercise regime which requires it. Thanks

  21. Hi Michael. I’m afraid I can’t advise on what to take as I’m awfully new to Nootropics. But Jessica (if she’s still reading this post) might have some tips for you.

    Have you checked out longecity.org? A number of their members have ADD/HD and they’re sharing stacks and answering questions. Nootropics seem to work quite well for them.

    After reading a zillion forum posts, I can say this with confidence: Trialling the different Nootropics is the only sure way to find out which ones work for you.
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  22. I’ve heard of people using Hydergine and Piracetam together. Choline is generally a must as Piracetam uses it by exciting the ACh receptors. You can find a good amount of information from Smart Drugs for Thought at http://www.smartdrugsforthought.com they have a Research page with a downloadable PDF for you to look over and read a bit more detailed information regarding Piracetam, as well as a “What is Piracetam” page that goes into dosing and how it generally works. From what I read of what you plan on taking you should see improved memory along with the Piracetam and Choline source of your choice.

    Michael your mood dropping could be some form of bipolar (I AM NO DOCTOR!) and likely needs treatment. You can always try L-Theanine, Panax Ginseng, and Picamilon as they are commonly used for anxiety. Piracetam is used by some to help ease depression and anxiety as well. Be careful with the amount of choline you take as too much has been reported to cause depression as well. I generally take around 620mg of Choline Bitartrate a day, along with 4,800mg of Piracetam and have yet to experience any depression.

    Hehe Catherine ;) of course I still read this from time to time. I’m very busy lately unfortunately.

  23. Jessica, thank you SO much for stopping by to help out! Busy, I know. House guests are arriving tonight and things (needed things) are breaking around me. The ac, the fridge, and more… oh dear.

    I’ve had good luck with Hydergine and Piracetam. And L-Theanine was great for calming my nerves (and putting me to sleep). I didn’t realise Picamilon helped quiet the nerves as well. I have some here so I’ll see how it works.

    Again, ta :-)
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  24. Picamilon is one I haven’t yet gotten to try. Though I know it has been used to help with anxiety, and migraines. I saw it mentioned in a lot of places that it caused a few people to fall asleep easier.

    I believe I recently read that ginger has anti-anxiety effects, though I could be mistaken. I generally always used ginger to make tea when I was coming down with a cold.

    Thank you Catherine! It’s always a pleasure dropping by and seeing how things are going for you and how you are helping new Nootropic users!

    How has the Aniracetam/Piracetam been treating you? Sorry to hear about all your AC and fridge going on the fritz, I imagine that is very discomforting with how the weather is. I hope at least your fridge gets tended to soon, fresh fruits and vegetables are essential! ;)

  25. Hi Jessica! Apologies for such a late reply. I have guests and we are running around, having a blast.

    I believe when it’s all said and done the simplest (Piracetam, Hydergine, and Acetyl-L-Carnitine + vitamins) will be what I settle on. Trying out some of the others is fine when I’m out of the country but they wouldn’t work as staples. In saying that, there’s a great deal available over the counter here so I haven’t exhausted the variations yet!

    It’s been so very strange being without a fridge so I’m hoping it’ll get fixed soon. Ice in a cooler lasts a day and a bit – I’ve discovered just how unpleasant soggy bacon is.
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  26. Jessica, I was racing to enjoy Cambodia and didn’t answer your question properly. Aniracetam didn’t work out for me. I was totally zonked for the four days I tried it. And from what I’ve read, some people do well on Aniracetam while others get brain fog. So on to the next!
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